Gina: It is also quite demanding to go up to Seniors because a lot of Juniors will see that as an opportunity to improve their technical content, but they do also have to get out of the habit of being "Junior-ish" in their presentation. I think that would be a good reason to keep a program, so that you can mature it.

Lae: Like cheese. [Hosts laugh].

Karly: A good program is like cheese.

Lae: Yes, it needs time and loving care.